Beyond Brave
Meet Kyla and Lyle Thomson, co-hosts of Beyond Brave. As parents to Bella Brave, who inspired the world with her courage, they spent over a decade navigating her rare medical challenges. Together, they've channeled their experiences into helping others find resilience and healing. On Beyond Brave, Kyla and Lyle share stories of hope, love, and the lessons they've learned—both through Bella's journey and in their everyday family life. Join them as they honor Bella’s legacy and inspire others to find light even in the darkest moments.
Beyond Brave
#03 - Embracing New Experiences: Therapy Sessions and Vegas Fun
Join Kyla and Lyle in this emotional yet heartwarming episode of 'Beyond Brave.' They discuss their personal journey through grief therapy, insights from a recent grief session, and revelations from Bella's genetics doctor. The duo also recounts their fun-filled trip to Vegas, including interactions with friends, favorite moments, and the meaningful act of leaving Bella-inspired butterflies around the city. From discussing the impact of their podcast to preparing for a challenging upcoming meeting, this episode beautifully balances heavy topics with moments of laughter and hope.
00:00 Introduction to Beyond Brave
00:31 Episode Overview and Listener Engagement
01:33 Personal Anecdotes and Listener Feedback
04:12 Podcast Growth and Rankings
06:58 Grief Therapy Insights
13:05 Stages and Seasons of Grief
19:10 Medical Advocacy and Trust
23:59 Genetic Insights and Medical Updates
26:09 Preparing for a Difficult Conversation
26:57 Grief and the Importance of Social Support
27:21 A Fun Trip to Vegas
28:58 Memorable Moments in Vegas
35:44 Reflecting on the Titanic Exhibit
39:55 Wrapping Up and Listener Engagement
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Welcome to Beyond Brave. I'm Kyla, and here's where we dive into stories of hope, bravery and laughter. Millions followed our journey with my daughter, bella, but now it's time to go beyond the headlines and highlight reels to those raw, real moments I haven't shared anywhere else. So are you ready to go beyond brave? Let's dive in.
Speaker 1:But if you want to be Brave everybody. Today we are discussing follow-ups from last episode as well, as we're going to take time to answer all the questions we received from my question box on Instagram. That was really fun receiving all those and I'm excited to get to them. Today we're going to review what we learned from our grief therapy session this week. Lyle and I we're going to share what we recently discussed with Bella's genetics doctor from Alberta Children's and we're going to give you a brief summary of our trip to Vegas with friends, what signs we received from Bella during that trip and, lastly, q&a segment from my socials. Let's get started.
Speaker 2:So formal.
Speaker 1:Really, that was really off the cuff. I was like that was all off the cuff.
Speaker 2:No, just with your little book and your notepad. You're very teachery tonight.
Speaker 1:I'm teachery tonight, yeah. I'm ready for a lesson so where do we want to start? I have a couple notes. Do you want to go with my teacher notes? I?
Speaker 2:think we have to you kind of. It was funny. Today we had a run-in with a friend, becca, at wayland swimming pool. Yes, and this doesn't have wayland swimming pool, waylon doesn't have a pool, but he has lessons at a pool and it was funny. Yeah, she's like I just got finished listening to you guys. I'm like man, that sounds like torture, because now you have to sit with me too. That's uh, that's a lot.
Speaker 1:I've received since two episodes have been out from our podcast. I've received so many compliments and so many unique messages from people and friends and family and everyone. I think the two that I love the most is people loving our banter, loving that you're a part of this, like you're. You know you're in here now. You've got your own Instagram account, which we established a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1:And then the other thing that I really loved is the way that people are commenting how they get to see you more specifically, and with that they just they see bella. The way I describe it is. They're telling me like they see you, they see your eyes, they hear you talk, they see you and they see her and it's just like really sweet and endearing.
Speaker 2:So right, that's heartwarming yeah, that's really hard.
Speaker 1:I wanted to mention that, so it's been great well, it was when she mentioned it.
Speaker 2:It was, I mean, you've had like eight years of this sort of sort of people commenting on on your socials and stuff, so but it was different when, yeah, I've been putting something out there now you get a taste. Yeah, yeah, I don't know yeah I don't know.
Speaker 1:Wait till people start like I feel bad. I feel really bad. No, no, that is like the number one thing people have been enjoying is our banter. Like I was really, you know, when I started thinking about starting a podcast and I was primarily thinking about having all these guests on and doing solo episodes. But then the more I listen to podcasts because I listen to so many podcasts too and I love it I've basically switched from like you know that kid who has like two 12-inch subs in her car busting out some like Tupac and you know just all about the bass to like this is how you make a potted plant at your home.
Speaker 1:Like it's all podcast now. That's all I listened to that's good anyways, I forget where I was going with that, but that's a little cute little kyla tidbit you guys could all take in and enjoy. Where was I going? Help me, help me bring up your. This is your job. You're supposed to bring me back. Bring me back from my little trails.
Speaker 2:Well, you have so much on that list there that I'm kind of having a tough time.
Speaker 1:Three pages here. Three pages, All right, let's start with. I know a lot of people have oh, I remember where I was going to go, Just having our podcast new and starting. It was really exciting to see where we've climbed on the charts. Oh yeah, I'm not very familiar with the rankings of podcasts. I'm very familiar with other socials and how they're ranked and how you progress with them and you advance with them, but podcasts I wasn't. So you mentioned that to me today when you're.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know where it is on Apple's, but I think Spotify is a lot more popular in Canada. That's just what we're noticing and we are like 20th on the top Canadian Spotify downloads. That was pretty cool. I didn't expect that we could be 500th and I mean I wouldn't really care We'd still do it.
Speaker 1:But it's exciting that people kind of are interested in the, in what we're doing here well, that blew my mind, so I was like I found it on here today when I go into spotify and I look at the podcast charge and it says top podcasts, and you look like, okay, joe rogan, all these ones that I've already listened to, and like no, like huberman lab spitting chiclets, like all these big timers up in here, and and then there's a little you then there's me oh, you got bumps real time okay yesterday I was at 20.
Speaker 2:where are you now?
Speaker 1:I was excited because I was above armchair expert with dax and now I'm below him well I mean, he's very popular you had an early bump, which was good.
Speaker 2:We did again. We're oh well we're 38 today. We were at 20 yesterday all right, well, get your shit in gear, let's go you guys gotta rate us.
Speaker 1:Give it those five stars. Come on, help me top the checks yeah, just kidding. Okay, I moved my googly eyes today. Can you guys all find them?
Speaker 2:hopefully we have video out yes, that is another thing.
Speaker 1:Oh so, like I had told everyone, yay, we're on youtube, you can watch us and listen to us. And then it's like I don't know you.
Speaker 2:I saw that and I thought when did we get youtube running, kyla? When did you manage to get it done? Because I know I didn't have it done yet, but you sure seem confident that I did it seemed.
Speaker 1:It seemed like it was going in that direction, so I put it out there on the gram and then all of these messages is there something wrong with your YouTube? I can't watch it and I'm like there's a lot of people that really want to watch it. Something wrong with me and I can't figure it out, yeah we haven't been able to get good enough quality to upload a video to our YouTube yet, so so it's still just listening.
Speaker 2:We'll get there.
Speaker 1:Another thing I'm not very familiar with. I listen to podcasts. I've watched a couple, but it's not my primary way of listening. But for all those viewers out there who like to view your pods, we will get this sorted shortly.
Speaker 2:So what do you got there for us?
Speaker 1:Okay, so I wanted to start with. I know we touched on this a little bit in our last episode so I wanted to follow up with it and we had a. It's been a topic of request by many people that have listened to our pod and know our story through my socials and everything. Grief therapy and what we learn and our vulnerability in sharing in real time us how we're grieving and the therapy we're receiving and the supports we're using is a huge request by people I found on my socials that are like not begging, but like, okay, give me more of this. I'm really interested in this or I need this or a loved one needs this. Please tell me more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm surprised by that because it's like a heavy topic. I mean I wouldn't be clamoring to listen to that, but I think that was definitely why we started this. We don't want to be all that, but I mean that's right, it's encouraging to see that, and I was looking at some of the comments on your socials, yeah, and I was like, wow, people really do appreciate you know diving into that and yeah, I guess I mean why, Like, they're going to expect to get that from us and that's that's great.
Speaker 1:I think it's a big need because it's not commonly talked about who is willing to share like this. I know, like my background in teaching teaching I'm very comfortable talking in front of people. You, on the other hand, are not, but I've kind of morphed you into accepting it and I think it's voluntold but it's so helpful like people are like okay, yes, kyla, we know your story, we understand it deeply.
Speaker 1:We've never been able to hear from Lyle, apart from the fact that he has a male perspective which not a lot of people get on socials you.
Speaker 2:I don't think the way you said. It sounds like you were like come on, we gotta get more out of you no, uh, no, the way I know I would.
Speaker 1:What's that sign that people do like?
Speaker 2:please come save me. I would. What's that sign that people do like? Please come save me? I blink twice. Yeah, someone to come save me, being held hostage on a podcast for for clicks no, no, you're the, you're like the only willing one.
Speaker 1:Everyone I've asked so far, like I'll ask my friends. I'm like, oh, we have this topic, this topic, and they're like no, god, no, they're all like scared, like you've done tiktoks with me and that's seven million like you keep flexing all night.
Speaker 2:Is that one million? 20th and podcast, oh you're so like gen z?
Speaker 1:no, you're so like alpha gen. What is the newest gen with?
Speaker 1:don't lump me in with any with your uh flax terminology I don't know I'm flexing, anyways, skibity toilet, I don't even know if I use that right.
Speaker 1:Okay, we are completely off a topic. What I was saying is I am surprised by the amount of people that are really actually requesting this topic. So I wanted to make sure I touched on it, because we did mention in our last episode that it's been a couple weeks since we've been to our grief therapy session, because we were gone like Chicago and then Vegas, and then we finally got back and we were anticipating this session because we usually go weekly and it was a real good session and I found that if we could share a little bit of some useful tools and what we learned, I think it would help a lot of people. Bit of some useful tools and what we learned, I think it would help a lot of people. One topic we discussed with our therapist this week was, of course, everyone grieves differently. We got on the topic where I feel like there's a lot of people. I'm surprised with the amount of people that make me feel like I have a timeline with my grief and I know so many of you are like what?
Speaker 2:No, but there are some things that, well, I don't think there's any, you know. Like they're not trying to, they're not thinking in their head. Come on, get over this.
Speaker 1:No, but the fact that I smile or go somewhere or do something for myself. It's like it gives them a signal to say oh, you're, you're done grieving, now I can squeeze more out of you, I can get more from you. And our therapist had said no, they don't get a vote, they don't get a vote. And that really hit me. I was like, oh, cause, it's like we know what ebbs and flows and we know how we felt when we got home from Vegas and it was like this wall of like that we just hit and it's like okay, we haven't.
Speaker 1:Well, you don't?
Speaker 2:even know what's coming.
Speaker 1:You don't even know what's coming. Yeah, yeah, and I just found that. You know I was in too much in my head. Maybe you know like, oh, okay, if I laugh too much or I smile too much or I go to vegas or I go here, try and find joy amidst this grief that people are going to assume that I'm more able able now and it's really maybe you are more than you were.
Speaker 2:But when he told us that they don't get a vote, that it's up to you, it doesn't mean that you're going to stop doing the things that you can do for other people. That's great, yeah. But knowing assuring yourself that you have escape hatch, you know that I can pull a plug on something if I'm not there yet yeah and people will understand and if they don't, that just more confirmation that you shouldn't be doing that thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you are a person who knows someone grieving and you're like I really want to ask something of them. I don't feel like it's too much, but I'm worried it could be just presented to them like in a comfort sandwich where it's like hey, like I don't know where you are with your grief right now, but I want to be conscious of that right. This is what I'm asking of you, but I understand if you got to pull the plug last minute. That kind of comfort sandwich, I think, is what would help more people that aren't grieving for the people, the loved ones they know who are right yeah, I think that and yeah, you said it perfectly.
Speaker 2:That's what I the other thing that we were covering was the stages of grief in that and I've done zero like research into it. I've just kind of it's called a stage yeah and it's like okay well I have a problem with that word right, yeah, and it's like, well, I'm just experiencing everything all at once and I don't I don't know why they would call it that you've done the research, what?
Speaker 1:let me know well, I mean, apart from apart from speaking with our therapist, who also gave us some like useful insight, and then also having the experience of grieving and looking it up. You know online or like some online resources, that they generally say that there are stages of grief. Stages give you the idea of a certain feeling eventually ending, but that's false because some of them are forever, because grief is forever, and that's exactly what our conversation was afterwards.
Speaker 2:I'm like'm like, yeah, I don't know. Necessarily I can't remember all the stages, but I do know I am not experiencing a stage, I'm not playing a video game. Yeah, I passed that stage and now I'm on to the next one. No, looking back, I'm like what, that's kind of like, that's what was going through my head and it it's it's like okay, well, am I not even through stage one yet, because I haven't felt any better right and we talked with our therapist was like we it shouldn't.
Speaker 1:That word, stage is an old term. Oh, it needs to change to something else and I can't remember what he said, but it's. It's something that ebbs and flows a season. See the waves. It was something like waves.
Speaker 1:I forget if it was seasons or waves, because they can both come back, I kind of like seasons I like seasons too, so the so we could change stages to seasons and say the typical five seasons of grief are sadness, depression, denial, anger. Sorry, sadness, depression I lumped into one denial, anger, bartering and acceptance. And apart from those cause I felt in some of those the old terminology and stuff says you go, you experience all five, whereas in our discussion with our therapist, no, like you might experience some more than others and some not.
Speaker 1:At all and I felt like, oh gosh, I'm really. I wasn't really feeling like stuck in any of those in a big way, but when I looked up, apart from those five, there are secondary seasons that include shock testing and reconstruction. And when I looked up reconstruction which oh.
Speaker 1:I was. I plopped my phone down. I was like holy crap, that that hit me. When you look up reconstruction as a season or a stage of grief, it is you are constantly actively, almost tirelessly, reconstructing your life in what you know is and has to be different now that your loved one has passed and it's in a way, like for me. I feel like it's like, yes, I've been actively doing that, like you had mentioned the last episode. It's like you're doing this and you're going, and you're doing and you're going, and it's like I'm this busy aunt that can't stop, because if I stop, I feel like those previous seasons are going to hit me like a ton of bricks sadness, depression, anger, barter and I don't want them to eventually lead to acceptance because it's just so hard. It's easier for me to reconstruct my life entirely than to have those other ones hit me hard to the point where you know, in some cases some people, I don't know if I'll survive Right Like it can be that painful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I found. I find that's a really good one, Like those other. What did you call them? The C or the three?
Speaker 2:secondary secondary Cause, other ones too. There I, I, I thought at first they were kind of cliched like denial. I'm like, oh, okay, what is that? But then it's crazy because I'll have just a moment of denial in my head. I don't think, oh, Bella, like no, no, I'm going to wake up out of this fever dream and I honestly for flash like a minute believe that and it really sucks. But and then I mean you just realize and you go through that process again and yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I, I, um, when I was looking at the secondary seasons of grief, they all three of them were like they hit me way more than the first five, like shock, uh, and the physical effects of shock. I know, when we were in Toronto after she had passed and we were there until we could fly home, I physically felt like my insides are being ripped out. I was vomiting, of course, yeah, it was. The physical shock was so intense and I feel like that was lasting a while and the testing. I felt like that was definitely something I had experienced as well, and just constantly, like with her doctors, in the conversations, you know, the days before and the days after she had passed, like is this? No, like is this right? Are you sure about that? It's like maybe I got testing wrong, but I just felt like I was testing them, like in their knowledge and then their understanding.
Speaker 2:You've been doing that for her entire life. Yeah, which was perfect, because you're the best advocate for doing that. You weren't stepping on toes navigating that and just making sure that you have her best, and people supported you, like doctors saw that you're doing what you need to be doing that time, but that was your role. Yeah, and they trust so you're not falling out of that.
Speaker 1:No, and they built trust with me. Like I would think the crazies don't get the concern. Yeah, you know they don't get the time and I learned that the hard way in some cases. But once my you know, there were conversations I had to have with her medical professionals where they're like, we understand the social media you you have and the power that that can bring.
Speaker 1:If I were to say, get really upset about something like I know some people that would bring in media as like threats to their medical professionals. Like if you don't do this the way I think it should be done, then I'm bringing in these big you know, I'm calling the news and I'm calling this and putting this out there on socials and it's like that's, that's not good, that's, that's how you get canceled, that's how you like hurt people and people don't want to help you when you're just threatening them. Right, you know what I mean and that's also another whole nother topic. But the trust I built with Bella's medical professionals meant a lot to me and I trusted them as like wholeheartedly, I wouldn't listen to them and go and like Google something and be like well, google says or oh boy, you know that wasn't me.
Speaker 2:Well, we have I mean, we still have an ongoing relationship with them we have a meeting coming up next week reviewing autopsy results. I mean, that's going to be heavy. I don't know. We got that invite in the email yesterday and then I told you I'm like I don't know why, my stomach is just in knots and I don't think you're feeling that same. I don't understand why I just kind of probably revisiting these things is just going to be very upsetting.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But you are looking forward to it, I guess.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I'd say looking forward. I've been preparing myself for two routes, which we talked about with our grief therapist as well. It's like okay, well, the typical route where they say, you know, there really wasn't anything we could do because we really don't know why. And typically you'd think people would react to that and be like, okay, they did all they could. They don't have an explanation.
Speaker 2:I'm in that camp, I'm in that camp.
Speaker 1:You're in that camp, but for me and maybe being a medical mom like my, brain is wired differently.
Speaker 1:But my life with Bella had been about prevention.
Speaker 1:It had been about shoulder to shoulder with these medical professionals figuring out how we can help Bella survive these rare diseases she was born with, and so it was all about prevention and it was like researching and taking their insight and giving and like constantly marking down symptoms and things that had happened after meds, before meds, during the whole kit and caboodle and and so for me that's almost worse to hear them say again I don't know. Right, With rare disease, our whole life with Bella has been I don't know, and very rarely we get an answer. So for that to just happen again to me, I don't want that. I don't want that. I want them to look at me and or talk to us and say either this is exactly why and we know how it happened, so we can help, not let it happen for another kid with this condition which right, but then they might have something where it's which right, but then they might have something where it's yeah, this is what it was and it was entirely preventable, right, and I?
Speaker 2:I don't think I can handle hearing that.
Speaker 1:That's where, yeah, the typical person would be like I can't handle that. But at the same point, I'm everything's preventable.
Speaker 2:You make a wrong turn, yeah, turning onto a street, and you get side swiped like, yeah, the that's preventable there. So we just I just gotta keep reminding myself that just because they're preventable doesn't mean it it didn't have to happen. I don't know quite how to say it, but that's what I'm preparing myself for. Yeah and just knowing that there there's deaths all the time that are preventable. That just wasn't meant to be.
Speaker 1:I guess in my head there's nothing we can do about it now and I just have so much love and trust with her medical team that, if anything can come out of this now that they know exactly what they do to prevent this for another kid in similar circumstances, yeah.
Speaker 2:And we trusted we still trust in her medical team. Yes, there is no path. That said it was preventable because we had everything at our disposal. Yeah, we no one looking in from the outside could tell any differently. So it's going to be okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we found out from her genetics today her genetics doctors. So they fell a specialist at SickKids Toronto. They are not only the number one children's hospital in the world, but they also work with every other specialist in the world that they want to reach out to. So when we talked to her geneticist today, her geneticist has been her genetics doctor since she was like one.
Speaker 2:Geneticist yeah.
Speaker 1:Genetics doctor.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to try either. Genetics doctor.
Speaker 1:Her genetics doctor has been there through her whole life and so of course, she's in contact with the SickKids team. And we found out today that, as she was in the ICU at SickKids in Toronto before she had passed, they had asked her genetics team in Alberta to run another exome reanalysis. And this is basically her redoing another massive test. That is telling her SickKids team is there anything we're missing? So there, and then our geneticist in alberta is reaching out to the specialist she knows in finland that are familiar with bella's rare condition that was interesting.
Speaker 2:That is really finland cartilage hair hypoplasia is much more common because it is just runs in more bloodlines there. Yes, yeah, and so, like we know, they did everything they could, regardless of the outcome that we get from that phone call just runs in more bloodlines there, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:And so, like we know, they did everything they could, regardless of the outcome that we get from that phone call about our autopsy. Because this is the number one children's hospital in the world, they're reaching out on top of that to any other specialists they can and it's so common and bottom line. They have told us this and we know Bella's conditions are so rare. They haven't seen this combination of her conditions anywhere else. And then to be treated to be the first child with cartilaginous herapia to receive not only a bone marrow transplant but then afterwards a solid organ transplant has not been done.
Speaker 2:And there's so many contraindications of oh, what is causing this? It could be in from so many different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're just, you know, taking shots from all different directions yeah, and we will have this discussion with her sick kids team next week yeah we'll find out more from there.
Speaker 1:But her genetics doctor told me today she's like, with all the testing and research they have done, what they know, she doesn't believe there was any sort of genetics issue that worsened her lungs and it most likely could be a rare post-transplant complication. Right, but we will find out more next week and we are trying our best to prepare ourselves for that conversation. Yeah, and it'll come in time yeah okay, back to my teacher notes.
Speaker 1:I wanted to bring this up before we go into some fun chats about Vegas. We learned something very important in our in our grief season. Uh, that, uh, by agreeing to do these things, taking us out of being home, where we kind of feel like the grief load hits us all the time, we agreed to go out with friends. For you know what was it? Four days we were gone, like four days Three nights. Three nights.
Speaker 2:Where In Vegas? Yeah, oh yeah, you can't do more than three. I can barely do two. I used to I mean I think I've only been twice before this trip and three wasn't easy. I won't ever say it was easy, but yeah, I could, I could handle it.
Speaker 1:Well, I.
Speaker 2:I. Three nights in your late thirties is yeah, I could probably take it a little easier.
Speaker 1:I was looking. I was definitely looking forward to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Regardless of you know typically going to bed at nine and you know having my tea and washing my face I saw some of your other girl trips that you've went on and it's so lame.
Speaker 2:I'm like man. You guys went, you guys watched movies like I went to bed. What? What did you leave here? For the third night of vegas. I'm just like oh man, I could really use one of those trips. We just you know, hunker down, yeah, yeah, yeah, it sounded great it was fun.
Speaker 1:I want to get into more of the fun of vegas but I like we both realized that agreeing to these things and going out and doing it because I know that can be a lot yeah, we have to push ourselves a little bit we have to push ourselves and we have to be around the right people.
Speaker 2:The people we went with, we knew if we need to take time, we can.
Speaker 1:That's a great part, yeah yeah, and we knew that they would get it too like if we had to cancel last minute yeah they would get it. It would suck.
Speaker 2:But it's nice to have someone to look forward to, which we did it was.
Speaker 1:You want relief from the pain of grieving and in some ways, but we learned that it will be there when you are done. It will be there. So, kella, what? Was your favorite part of vegas yeah, let's get into some happy, fun things what was your favorite part?
Speaker 2:okay, a rooftop bar in november is very nice it was 22. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You got like a little bit of a tan. I had shorts. The guy from New York in the elevator was like, oh, I am not. You look like you're ready for summer, kind of like what are you doing? I was like yeah.
Speaker 2:You were a little aggressive Flip flops shorts and a t-shirt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it wasn't too bad, and it was 15 degrees out when you did that. It was plus 22 in Vegas. I looked at the weather, okay, and we were on a rooftop with the sun.
Speaker 2:Hey, I'm not going to get into it here.
Speaker 1:Anyways, it was tropical in my head. It felt warm, it was fine, but I really liked that. My favorite, okay, the mini golf. What was the mini golf called?
Speaker 2:Swingers yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you booked that at first, I was like whoa, what new stage of our marriage? Are we in?
Speaker 2:Mini golf without children? Yeah, that's not something you'd expect.
Speaker 1:What is my husband getting me into? Oh, I didn't even pick up Swingers they are. They were like eight days old. They were a week old in Vegas when we went there Brand new massive mini golf, golf, uh like facility facility bar.
Speaker 2:It was like a three level bar with a different mini golf on each level yeah and they all had themes. I was really surprised because each hole was so unique and not cheap like well, either way, it wasn't built cheaply.
Speaker 1:It also didn't cost a lot yeah, but yeah, I actually didn't, I don't know what doesn't there?
Speaker 2:if you're not standing at like a table or vlt, you're saving money, yeah I will never understand.
Speaker 1:I've gone to vegas twice and I never gambled. I'm just like I don't well, I don't really either.
Speaker 2:I'm not a gambler, no I'm not. I'm there for like the entertainment I like playing a table for a little bit. But yeah, then I you need to move along yeah, like, and also there's a lot of people there.
Speaker 1:I mean they're open for a reason well, I mean, I don't get it though, because it's like, okay, you're going to the desert especially coming from a canadian you're going to the desert, you want the sunshine. I'm a beach vacay person very, very good take it's a, but it's like you go to vegas and then you're just inside the basement. All these lights are flashing and it's like dark and there's smoke everywhere and I'm like I just go to, like you know some just don't go to vegas vegas isn't for you, honey, but you like the show we went to absent.
Speaker 2:That was really cool that was crazy funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the piano bar, that's always fun swingers was hilarious yeah I like that. You could play angry birds there with the golf balls that you were hitting. That was hilarious. I mean, it happened to be f1 while we were there, so that was cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was really cool.
Speaker 1:It was because, well, we were at Planet Hollywood, and so the strip that they raced on was right in front of our hotel, and you have to buy tickets to view it. And so they put all these boards up and all these gray and black walls on all the bridges so that you can't just be a spectator for free yeah, which kind of makes sense?
Speaker 2:which makes sense everyone just be log jam on every overpass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was hard to get around, but once you got somewhere you didn't really notice it yeah, it wasn't too bad, not knowing, until the day we left, that brad pitt was there shooting a movie really yeah, he was there shooting a movie with, like the f is like some sort of f1 theme. So that's why he was there shooting a movie with some sort of F1 theme. So that's why he was there.
Speaker 2:That sounds really good.
Speaker 1:Those cars we saw on Friday night when they were practicing. Brad Pitt could have been driving one of those cars.
Speaker 2:I doubt it.
Speaker 1:No. Those might have been the legit practicing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they sure sounded like they were real.
Speaker 1:Well, you never know, there's Tom Cruise and he does all of his own stunts.
Speaker 2:That I might believe. Okay, brad, reach out and tell me if you're that guy. Yeah, someone will get him. What is it? Seven degrees of separation? Seven degrees, we gotta have like three degrees.
Speaker 1:Can someone reach out to brad?
Speaker 2:and uh tell him, lyle called him out. Doesn't think he has the stones to drive an f1?
Speaker 1:we don't believe you were driving the f1s, brad this is all rooted in jealousy okay, yeah, someone's gonna call him out.
Speaker 1:Let him make sure he gets back to us because we gotta find out if that actually happened. Denny's probably on google right now being like was brad in that one car, uh, okay. Also, I went to vegas with the purpose of intentionally grieving for bella. I knew she, she was a traveler and she eventually wanted to travel to new york and paris and all these hollywood and all these places, and so I I had someone gift me a while ago. They gifted me all these tiny little plastic butterflies and I gave me the idea to leave them in places where I wanted to leave Bella's love. I brought them with me. I had about like 10. And I left these little plastic butterflies all over Vegas in places that I thought she would love, and I documented a few of these places on my Instagram and post them up there.
Speaker 2:But what were they?
Speaker 1:When we were walking the strip. There's palm trees on the strip and if you know how palm trees are, they have these little crevices all the way up right, so they're really easy to stick little things in. So there was a couple of palm trees that I'd stick a little butterfly peeking out of it at the in at like head level, right at ones that you had a background in, like the eiffel tower.
Speaker 2:Yes, so it wasn't just random palm trees, or was it?
Speaker 1:there was two random palm trees on the strip close to new york, new york, and near the bellagio. Yeah, bellagio. I found myself staring at that hotel. It was right across from planet hollywood and it just because it's just big, bright lights, it says bella oh, and then agio, I didn't pick up, oh caught myself staring at it all the time.
Speaker 1:I'd look up and sometimes I would look up, and if it was because it's a curved hotel, and sometimes I'd look up and then the sign would leave the last couple letters out and it would literally just say Bella in gold and I was like, oh, I left some at the. We just realized on our last day that there is a wildlife, mini wildlife park at the flamingo yeah, our flight didn't leave Vegas till 6 pm yeah, six yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2:When you're ready to leave, you're ready to leave.
Speaker 1:I was like oh, chat, gpt, what can we do in vegas around? Just dragging my body around you were so tired I was, I was tired I was like there's a wildlife park, or what did they call it conservatory, at like flamingo. We went. It was beautiful.
Speaker 2:There was like I was like just find something free and it's free. And we went to titanic too. Oh yeah, we did like the old people stuff.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we did?
Speaker 2:I didn't realize Titanic, that was amazing.
Speaker 1:It's exhibit, the Titanic exhibit, and that's its final home at the pyramid. What's the pyramid called in Vegas? Luxor, luxor. So we went in there and it's so well done.
Speaker 1:The final home for all the artifacts all the artifacts, right, and the last large artifact is it's like the size of this room. It's a giant metal plate from the side of the boat and the there's a guy that does a walkthrough with you and he's like, if you have any questions, let me know. And I caught him talking to this one family about it and it's like they know the sections of where this plate would have been on the boat, like near first class, and it would have been like a bathroom section, in a bedroom section. And then at the beginning of the walkthrough you get a card of someone who was actually on the titanic and all their information like a ticket, like the ticket they would have got, and then the the end you hold it under this little machine and it tells you if your passenger survived or not.
Speaker 2:I also found it interesting that neither of ours survived. No. Yeah, that was sad, yeah, it was really it was interesting that I think they did like a handful of expeditions in 20 years, starting 20 years ago to maybe 10 years ago, and they haven't done and it was all. If nothing was taken from the inside of the ship, it was all taken from the debris field.
Speaker 1:Yeah, outside, that kind of like got pushed out because they're not allowed to go in, and they're not allowed to go and pick things out which they didn't really get into.
Speaker 2:I'm sure we could easily figure it out, but it has to probably do with some label who has the right to that stuff, because you know who's that stuff is or just simply it's a grave site sure, but like you could go, you could root in, like when those one of those robots go into a room and pick around and take someone's belongings and then, well, who's do those actually own? Yeah, who owns those? Because we know who they were.
Speaker 1:It's really interesting well, yeah, because then they would have to go down the family line and be like okay, your great aunt gertrude had millions of dollars in her safety deposit box on the titanic, and here it is, and yeah, but they went through the great expense of retrieving it right, yeah, so then how much I don't know. I feel like, okay, well, number one it's a grave site so you can't go in and pick things from outside of it is it a grave site like?
Speaker 1:I don't know if you know like it's well, if you can't go inside but you can pick apart the debris from outside, then is the entire debris field the gravesite you're talking way out of our element we don't even know. This was just what we were guessing, but it was. We should have asked the guy there was a guy there was a guy and we should ask him we could have asked.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was done with questions going back to brad pitt yeah denny said he was in vegas filming while you were there, we know, oh. And he said, okay, that was. I thought you had more than that, denny. Thanks, sorry. The rest of the text was about our time limit oh time left okay, we. How did I not know this was going to happen?
Speaker 2:oh, I knew I knew and like you're giving a really a lot of things here that we have to cover. Okay, Well, here's the thing, I think we can squeeze some more in for our next episode.
Speaker 1:We'll squeeze. Okay, because the only thing we didn't get to that I said we would get to were the questions from Instagram.
Speaker 2:The questions from Instagram. If people aren't, if they can't see the video, there are 14, 25, 30. Sorry, the patron flips. We didn't get to the 30 questions.
Speaker 1:Like do we want I have? There's some really good ones in here, though, so you'll have to stay tuned. Oh, so mean, so mean.
Speaker 2:Anyways.
Speaker 1:It's fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We will get to them, just not right now. We wanted to, but uh, time flies when you're having fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, chatting anyways, I think we can probably wrap this episode up. I really want to thank everyone for tuning in again, as always. Uh, you can listen to us on spotify, youtube, apple. Make sure you give the rating, like like the five stars or whatever.
Speaker 1:That always helps us out. Beat those other ones. We bumped down to 38. Get us back up to 20 on the Spotify list, peeps.
Speaker 2:There we go.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Thanks for tuning in.
Speaker 1:Thank you guys, and take care, stay brave.
